Speaking of horror stories of commercial code, i saw this today in the news from the microsoft trial and laughed my ass off... "Felten, who examined the secret "source code" for Windows 98 under a court order, said he had found 3,000 bugs marked by Microsoft programmers in the portion of Windows 98 he had examined -- and he had looked at only one-seventh of it." 3000 bugs in 1/7th of the code! But companies and people keep buying it so why bother to fix them ;-) I wish my customers were so forgiving! jim At a recent computer software engineering course in the US, the participants were given an awkward question to answer. "If you had just boarded an airliner and discovered that your team of programmers had been responsible for the flight control software, how many of you would disembark immediately?" unknown author