> ..... I can write an Ada application without a > GUI builder, but I cannot write a VB application without a GUI builder. I never did any of the fancier stuff you've discussed, but I HAVE written VB without a GUI builder. In Word or Excel, I create a simple macro, then open the source code (text) window and replace it with what I want it to do. (All the while cursing the stupid syntax and (lack of) other features.) By the way, if you're going to generate a non-Ada GUI, what makes VB better than a TCL/Tk/wish interface, or a Java front-end, or even an X/Motif? (With this font, I look at "VB" and think "Wow! I could have had a V8!") > You are welcome to visit ..... I certainly will!