> [Can't prove] that Ada will save money in the long run. Those > numbers exist for Ada83 in some cases, the Verdix paper is excellent. Ada95 > doesn't have that paper trail yet, .... Well, if you can "prove" that Ada 83 costs less, and you can "prove" that Ada 95 is better, the syllogism is pretty simple. :-) Java is how old? Three years? Five? And the holes in the hype are already forming. Ada's complaints are mostly ignorant innuendos, and she's almost past her teens.