> > The C++ ship has bigger quality leaks, but they also have much
> > bigger bilge pumps
>   There are those of us who would rather ride in a ship without such
> big leaks, even if the bilge pumps are quite large.

I was facetiously using "bilge pumps" to describe something :-) other than
their support tools (which many of them have a nasty habit of not using).

>   Also, speaking purely selfishly, I'd rather not depend on Java or
> C/C++ programs/programmers for anything important, and I'd also rather
> not be forced to write/read in those languages to any substantial extent.

Ditto.