OK, The first problem is that there are no desktop applications WRITTEN in Ada. Is Linux written in Ada? How about Netscape? OK, maybe Star Office? Nope. Nada. So when the TEAM-ADA crew ( including myself ) get on the job and start putting out apps in Ada to replace the buggy, crap we get from Redmond then we might get some good press and respect. Next item, Academic Software Engineering ignorance. Why is every Aerospace Ph.D. I see have no concept of good software design. They write everything in Matlab or FORTRAN. I've never seen so many GOTO's !! They define a new culinary discipline for spaghetti code. Since most software that would benefit most from using Ada is written by these folk why aren't the thought good S/W Engineering? Well as Ph.D's, their schools did not expect that they would be hired to be code cowboys. Well it seems they are wrong. I asked to be in flight software and they wanted to know what I knew about control theory and spacecraft. They did not care about software architecture or construction. And since the career path to high places comes from these Ph.D. Guidance & Control types they end up at the top of the company with no concept of good software development. So we have some work to do to get good applications out written in Ada and to influence schools to dump FORTRAN as the scientific language for Ada. Both are tough sells. Bill Dale Speaking for myself,... probably to myself.